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[178] Hell Hath No Fury
God, this is the first time I update all year, I am the worst.
OKAY. So I saw Age of Ultron with my mom again today when the movie we were gonna see didn't pan out, and I wanna finally get all my feels out since THERE ARE A LOT OF THEM.
I feel like it's a movie that is both helped and hindered by repeat viewing? Once you know where everything's going, all of the tacked-on bits and completely random asides (of which there are a LOT, holy shit) stick out so much more, but there's just so much going on in this movie that watching it again actually gives you the chance to process all of it, and it's still all so much fun that that's overall a good thing, I'd say.
Like. The vibranium was basically just a big MacGuffin to get them to Africa and set up Andy Sirkis as the Black Panther villain, right? And Thor straight up fucks off into another movie halfway through, what the hell was that random spirit pool shit even, man. The movie does a decent job of tying all of it into the overall plot of the film, but there really is a ton of random shit in there.
I saw a lot of people complaining about the movie being a big trailer for upcoming movies, and I guess I see where they're coming from, but I don't see it as necessarily a bad thing? This movie is basically just the opposite of the first Avengers film; whereas that one was about bringing together everything that came before, this one was about setting up all that's going to come. That's actually pretty neat! If I had no intentions of watching any more of these movies, it might be annoying, but I really do love the way the MCU has become this huge interconnected behemoth of continuity, one film series coming out multiple times a year.
Like, what was all set up here? Cap and Tony's lover's spat + Banner wrecking up the place and ending up (probably) wanted = Civil War. Thanos + all of Thor's nonsense = GotG2, Ragnarok, Infinity War (I feel like these are all gonna be heavily linked up after what we saw here, idk). Andy Sirkis + Wakanda = Black Panther. That's pretty much everything in Phase Three except Doctor Strange and Captain Marvel, good god damn.
ANYWAY, BACK TO THE MOVIE AT HAND, I STILL REALLY LOVED AGE OF ULTRON. It was definitely kind of an overstuffed hot mess, but... I really enjoyed all of the things it was overstuffed with so I didn't really care? IT'S JUST SO MUCH. OF EVERYTHING. ALL OF THE TIME. It is the sloppy joe of the MCU, so delicious and full of goodness but oh my god, such a mess, this is gonna take forever to clean up oh no why did we use paper plates it's all over my pants now this metaphor got away from me MUCH LIKE THE FILM. So worth it, though.
Everyone got a chance to shine! In a cast of approximately eight billion, no character beats could ever really get more than glossed over, but everyone got something significant, and that is pretty impressive. Giving every one of the seven trillion characters a moment that I loved when I'm kinda 'meh' about some of them in general? DOUBLE IMPRESSIVE.
To curb my rambling somewhat, I will lump the rest of my random thoughts roughly together by character, I think that is the best way not to forget stuff.
Iron Man: He's Tony, he's forever delightful, when he found the secret passageway it was like coming home to an old friend, never leave us RDJ we need you. Also some pretty super interesting character development for him, certainly the most of anyone in the movie even if most of it happened through Ultron as a proxy. It's certainly a way to move him into place for something Civil War-esque, anyway.
Hulk: Kinda got ripped off the most in terms of having super important character stuff glossed over really quickly, I think? They were going for some really good, interesting stuff, but since none of it had any time to breathe, his motivations (particularly in his scenes with Widow) were kinda slippery and tough to grasp at times, even the second time around. And how was he the ONLY one whose Scarlet Witch whammy we never saw? I feel like there's a five-hour cut of this movie somewhere that's super awesome and deep for Bruce, but mostly I just have to hang my hat on him being wonderfully shattered after Code Greens and the utter perfection of every moment he and Tony are interacting. SCIENCE MONTAGE! ACCIDENTAL MURDER-BOT. TONY BEING UNABLE TO READ THE THE TONE OF THE ROOM OMG TONY PLZ STOP TALKING NOW. Also, the subtle Archie Comics reference, which I choose to interpret as a PERSONAL SHOUT-OUT FROM JOSS WHEDON 2 ME, THANKS BRO.
Black Widow: Oy. I've screamed about this to various people so much already, I'm sick of it, basically: people are dumb. She was fine. She was better than fine, she was pretty damn great, and I was a latecomer to liking the character. Yes, she had a love interest, for the first time in four films, it didn't "reduce" her to shit. Yes, she needed to be rescued at one point, as did literally everyone in the film at some point, not to mention that she was the primary force involved in said rescue, thanks to the unstoppable power of SPY FRIENDSHIP (that's right, Bruce arguably wasn't even her most important relationship in the film, SHUT THE FUCK UP, PEOPLE). And even my mom harped on how her sterility was treated as this huge thing when... I really didn't see it that way? It's the main thing that was chosen to represent the assassin she was, which seems kinda dodgy at first, but not when you consider the way it's juxtaposed with her actual life. Like Bruce, she only sees herself as the killer monster, when the fact is, she already beat the Red Room's ultimate bit of programming; she has a family. She's Auntie Fucking Nat, ain't nothing more important than that. Neither can have kids, but who really gives a shit, she won, while Bruce ran. If only their scenes hadn't been so rushed, maybe more people would have gotten that instead of jumping to MISOGYNY!!!!11! at the first mention of anything specifically feminine (the internalized misogyny involved in so many of the gripes is particularly galling to me, BLACK WIDOW CANNOT BE ALL THINGS TO ALL PEOPLE, LET HER JUST FUCKING BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, GOD DAMN). Her and Clint's friendship is now my everything, though. Also, we've pretty much definitely going to see more of her past now, right, otherwise why cast Julie Delpy in such a damn tiny role?
Thor: He's not one of my favs, and all his stuff was strictly plotty, but I really like the little asides of him just... being a good dude? Like when he's all FUCK YEAH HULK then has to backpedal like fuq when he sees Bruce being a basket case over it, or when he's drinking with Steve's old war buddies, or the bit where there's suddenly someone else who can lift Mjolnir around and instead of being weird about it he's just like YEAH NEW SWEET TEAM UP MOVES NOW I HAVE SOMEONE I CAN TALK HAMMER STUFF WITH. :D He's great, even with the general nonsense that was... pretty much everything he had to do in this movie. MAGIC VISION POOL, WHAT EVEN.
Captain America: Another one without a ton to do here, just kinda hanging around and being a solid presence with the other big blond beefcake. Gotta say, though, the first time through, I was kinda underwhelmed by his Scarlet Witch dream since it didn't really give us any new information like the others did, but on the rewatch, it really was the best of the bunch? The whole ballroom-as-battlefield thing was SUPER well done and it just got lost in the overall shuffle of EVERYTHING HAPPENING RARGH MORE STUFF. Mostly, the movie alluded to interesting character beats for Steve without actually... getting to them, though. Though I fucking LOVE the fact that Steve's invites to the big party were clearly just Falcon and a bunch of old dudes. OH, STEVEN.
Hawkeye: SURPRISE MVP, HAHAHA, WHAT THE FUCK. Like, he is firmly, far and away my favourite part of this movie, WHO THE HELL SAW THAT COMING LOLOLOLOL WHAT EVEN. The best. The actual best. I got nothing, he is quippy, and he is the only Avenger with his life together, and he is married to Lindsay Weir, and the city is flying and he has a bow and arrow and that makes NO SENSE, he is my sun and stars and the only thing holding that team together, they are a MESS, but he's still Barton and that's a tragedy. Good god I should go to sleep soon. Whatever, he's the best, and "Hawkeye named his third child after the Black Widow and Quicksilver" is now a thing that is true in the MCU and there is no part of that sentence which isn't amazingly absurd. Amzurd. His relationship with Natasha means so damn much to me, too, from the ashes of the Clintasha fans has risen something FAR MORE GLORIOUS than some dumb ol' ship. :33333
Ultron: I don't know why, but I was not expecting him to be FULL SPADER. In retrospect, I was a fool.
Scarlet Witch: I like her a lot. Far more than I ever did in the comics, anyway, but that's true of most characters in these movies tbh. :x I was not expecting the twins to have accents for some reason, so that was a fun choice. Her pep talk from Hawkeye and stepping out as A FUCKING AVENGER, FUCK ALL Y'ALL, come on, that was so great, how are people complaining about this, ugh.
Quicksilver: GOD DAMN IT, WHEDON. I loved him so much, even more the second time around, and I am SO BUMMED that we won't get more of him. If his one movie was a different one, I'd still be sad (because <3) but I doubt I'd be so salty about it, but it had to be this overstuffed monstrosity so we got so little of him in the grand scheme of things, YOU DESERVE MORE, PIETRO. WE ALL DESERVE MORE PIETRO. Maybe Wanda can go crazy one day and pull a reality warp and bring him back from the dead. HE DIED IN HAWKEYE'S PLACE, HE CAN COME BACK IN HIS PLACE, TOO. NOT LIKE THIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSS
Anyway, he is definitely the latest inductee to the MCU 'Gone 2 Soon' Club (current members: Tripp, Dooley, Wesley), my heart hurts.
Vision: Jesus Christ, how does this movie have so many damn characters? Yeah, he was cool, too, fuck. In particular, I liked him just deciding to give himself a kicky little cape FIRST THING, fuckin dork. Also, having a huge, fun character scene early in the movie (trying to lift the hammer) and then using it later on as shorthand for "look guys, he really isn't evil, that's not a thing we gotta worry about" was kinda brilliant? Those fun scenes add so much to the movie, but with a 2+ hour runtime, using them to ALSO cut down on expository stuff in subtle ways? Nice. Also nice? Finally getting to see Paul Bettany on screen after seven damn years. YOU MADE IT, BUDDY.
Helen Cho: BRING ON AMADEUS, HA HA HA HA HA HA IT'S GONNA FUCKIN HAPPEN, HAVE HIM TRACK DOWN THE HULK IN FUCKIN FIJI AND THEN GIVE ME A DAMN SPY WHO SMASHED ME MOVIE IT IS EVERYTHING I WOULD EVER WANT IN THIS LIFE
Maria Hill: So badass in the party fight, guns + cocktail dresses = yes. And picking the glass out of her feet after, gurl ilu
War Machine, Falcon, Fury, Selvig, Heimdall, Peggy, Friday Ehrmantraut: Like, are you fucking kidding me with this cast? Seriously? I'm so tired.
The opening fight was ridiculously CG-looking, maybe the other ones were too and I was just used to it by then? And the big video game "don't let Ultron touch the drill" final battle at the end was ridiculous but in a super badass fun way, so. Like, did they ever explain why Ultron couldn't just turn the thing off remotely? NO TIME, KEEP SPINNING PLATES, KEEP SPINNINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
IN CONCLUSION: WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE. IN THIS, THE AGE OF ULTRON.
what am i forgetting, talk to me about stuff
OKAY. So I saw Age of Ultron with my mom again today when the movie we were gonna see didn't pan out, and I wanna finally get all my feels out since THERE ARE A LOT OF THEM.
I feel like it's a movie that is both helped and hindered by repeat viewing? Once you know where everything's going, all of the tacked-on bits and completely random asides (of which there are a LOT, holy shit) stick out so much more, but there's just so much going on in this movie that watching it again actually gives you the chance to process all of it, and it's still all so much fun that that's overall a good thing, I'd say.
Like. The vibranium was basically just a big MacGuffin to get them to Africa and set up Andy Sirkis as the Black Panther villain, right? And Thor straight up fucks off into another movie halfway through, what the hell was that random spirit pool shit even, man. The movie does a decent job of tying all of it into the overall plot of the film, but there really is a ton of random shit in there.
I saw a lot of people complaining about the movie being a big trailer for upcoming movies, and I guess I see where they're coming from, but I don't see it as necessarily a bad thing? This movie is basically just the opposite of the first Avengers film; whereas that one was about bringing together everything that came before, this one was about setting up all that's going to come. That's actually pretty neat! If I had no intentions of watching any more of these movies, it might be annoying, but I really do love the way the MCU has become this huge interconnected behemoth of continuity, one film series coming out multiple times a year.
Like, what was all set up here? Cap and Tony's lover's spat + Banner wrecking up the place and ending up (probably) wanted = Civil War. Thanos + all of Thor's nonsense = GotG2, Ragnarok, Infinity War (I feel like these are all gonna be heavily linked up after what we saw here, idk). Andy Sirkis + Wakanda = Black Panther. That's pretty much everything in Phase Three except Doctor Strange and Captain Marvel, good god damn.
ANYWAY, BACK TO THE MOVIE AT HAND, I STILL REALLY LOVED AGE OF ULTRON. It was definitely kind of an overstuffed hot mess, but... I really enjoyed all of the things it was overstuffed with so I didn't really care? IT'S JUST SO MUCH. OF EVERYTHING. ALL OF THE TIME. It is the sloppy joe of the MCU, so delicious and full of goodness but oh my god, such a mess, this is gonna take forever to clean up oh no why did we use paper plates it's all over my pants now this metaphor got away from me MUCH LIKE THE FILM. So worth it, though.
Everyone got a chance to shine! In a cast of approximately eight billion, no character beats could ever really get more than glossed over, but everyone got something significant, and that is pretty impressive. Giving every one of the seven trillion characters a moment that I loved when I'm kinda 'meh' about some of them in general? DOUBLE IMPRESSIVE.
To curb my rambling somewhat, I will lump the rest of my random thoughts roughly together by character, I think that is the best way not to forget stuff.
Iron Man: He's Tony, he's forever delightful, when he found the secret passageway it was like coming home to an old friend, never leave us RDJ we need you. Also some pretty super interesting character development for him, certainly the most of anyone in the movie even if most of it happened through Ultron as a proxy. It's certainly a way to move him into place for something Civil War-esque, anyway.
Hulk: Kinda got ripped off the most in terms of having super important character stuff glossed over really quickly, I think? They were going for some really good, interesting stuff, but since none of it had any time to breathe, his motivations (particularly in his scenes with Widow) were kinda slippery and tough to grasp at times, even the second time around. And how was he the ONLY one whose Scarlet Witch whammy we never saw? I feel like there's a five-hour cut of this movie somewhere that's super awesome and deep for Bruce, but mostly I just have to hang my hat on him being wonderfully shattered after Code Greens and the utter perfection of every moment he and Tony are interacting. SCIENCE MONTAGE! ACCIDENTAL MURDER-BOT. TONY BEING UNABLE TO READ THE THE TONE OF THE ROOM OMG TONY PLZ STOP TALKING NOW. Also, the subtle Archie Comics reference, which I choose to interpret as a PERSONAL SHOUT-OUT FROM JOSS WHEDON 2 ME, THANKS BRO.
Black Widow: Oy. I've screamed about this to various people so much already, I'm sick of it, basically: people are dumb. She was fine. She was better than fine, she was pretty damn great, and I was a latecomer to liking the character. Yes, she had a love interest, for the first time in four films, it didn't "reduce" her to shit. Yes, she needed to be rescued at one point, as did literally everyone in the film at some point, not to mention that she was the primary force involved in said rescue, thanks to the unstoppable power of SPY FRIENDSHIP (that's right, Bruce arguably wasn't even her most important relationship in the film, SHUT THE FUCK UP, PEOPLE). And even my mom harped on how her sterility was treated as this huge thing when... I really didn't see it that way? It's the main thing that was chosen to represent the assassin she was, which seems kinda dodgy at first, but not when you consider the way it's juxtaposed with her actual life. Like Bruce, she only sees herself as the killer monster, when the fact is, she already beat the Red Room's ultimate bit of programming; she has a family. She's Auntie Fucking Nat, ain't nothing more important than that. Neither can have kids, but who really gives a shit, she won, while Bruce ran. If only their scenes hadn't been so rushed, maybe more people would have gotten that instead of jumping to MISOGYNY!!!!11! at the first mention of anything specifically feminine (the internalized misogyny involved in so many of the gripes is particularly galling to me, BLACK WIDOW CANNOT BE ALL THINGS TO ALL PEOPLE, LET HER JUST FUCKING BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, GOD DAMN). Her and Clint's friendship is now my everything, though. Also, we've pretty much definitely going to see more of her past now, right, otherwise why cast Julie Delpy in such a damn tiny role?
Thor: He's not one of my favs, and all his stuff was strictly plotty, but I really like the little asides of him just... being a good dude? Like when he's all FUCK YEAH HULK then has to backpedal like fuq when he sees Bruce being a basket case over it, or when he's drinking with Steve's old war buddies, or the bit where there's suddenly someone else who can lift Mjolnir around and instead of being weird about it he's just like YEAH NEW SWEET TEAM UP MOVES NOW I HAVE SOMEONE I CAN TALK HAMMER STUFF WITH. :D He's great, even with the general nonsense that was... pretty much everything he had to do in this movie. MAGIC VISION POOL, WHAT EVEN.
Captain America: Another one without a ton to do here, just kinda hanging around and being a solid presence with the other big blond beefcake. Gotta say, though, the first time through, I was kinda underwhelmed by his Scarlet Witch dream since it didn't really give us any new information like the others did, but on the rewatch, it really was the best of the bunch? The whole ballroom-as-battlefield thing was SUPER well done and it just got lost in the overall shuffle of EVERYTHING HAPPENING RARGH MORE STUFF. Mostly, the movie alluded to interesting character beats for Steve without actually... getting to them, though. Though I fucking LOVE the fact that Steve's invites to the big party were clearly just Falcon and a bunch of old dudes. OH, STEVEN.
Hawkeye: SURPRISE MVP, HAHAHA, WHAT THE FUCK. Like, he is firmly, far and away my favourite part of this movie, WHO THE HELL SAW THAT COMING LOLOLOLOL WHAT EVEN. The best. The actual best. I got nothing, he is quippy, and he is the only Avenger with his life together, and he is married to Lindsay Weir, and the city is flying and he has a bow and arrow and that makes NO SENSE, he is my sun and stars and the only thing holding that team together, they are a MESS, but he's still Barton and that's a tragedy. Good god I should go to sleep soon. Whatever, he's the best, and "Hawkeye named his third child after the Black Widow and Quicksilver" is now a thing that is true in the MCU and there is no part of that sentence which isn't amazingly absurd. Amzurd. His relationship with Natasha means so damn much to me, too, from the ashes of the Clintasha fans has risen something FAR MORE GLORIOUS than some dumb ol' ship. :33333
Ultron: I don't know why, but I was not expecting him to be FULL SPADER. In retrospect, I was a fool.
Scarlet Witch: I like her a lot. Far more than I ever did in the comics, anyway, but that's true of most characters in these movies tbh. :x I was not expecting the twins to have accents for some reason, so that was a fun choice. Her pep talk from Hawkeye and stepping out as A FUCKING AVENGER, FUCK ALL Y'ALL, come on, that was so great, how are people complaining about this, ugh.
Quicksilver: GOD DAMN IT, WHEDON. I loved him so much, even more the second time around, and I am SO BUMMED that we won't get more of him. If his one movie was a different one, I'd still be sad (because <3) but I doubt I'd be so salty about it, but it had to be this overstuffed monstrosity so we got so little of him in the grand scheme of things, YOU DESERVE MORE, PIETRO. WE ALL DESERVE MORE PIETRO. Maybe Wanda can go crazy one day and pull a reality warp and bring him back from the dead. HE DIED IN HAWKEYE'S PLACE, HE CAN COME BACK IN HIS PLACE, TOO. NOT LIKE THIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSS
Anyway, he is definitely the latest inductee to the MCU 'Gone 2 Soon' Club (current members: Tripp, Dooley, Wesley), my heart hurts.
Vision: Jesus Christ, how does this movie have so many damn characters? Yeah, he was cool, too, fuck. In particular, I liked him just deciding to give himself a kicky little cape FIRST THING, fuckin dork. Also, having a huge, fun character scene early in the movie (trying to lift the hammer) and then using it later on as shorthand for "look guys, he really isn't evil, that's not a thing we gotta worry about" was kinda brilliant? Those fun scenes add so much to the movie, but with a 2+ hour runtime, using them to ALSO cut down on expository stuff in subtle ways? Nice. Also nice? Finally getting to see Paul Bettany on screen after seven damn years. YOU MADE IT, BUDDY.
Helen Cho: BRING ON AMADEUS, HA HA HA HA HA HA IT'S GONNA FUCKIN HAPPEN, HAVE HIM TRACK DOWN THE HULK IN FUCKIN FIJI AND THEN GIVE ME A DAMN SPY WHO SMASHED ME MOVIE IT IS EVERYTHING I WOULD EVER WANT IN THIS LIFE
Maria Hill: So badass in the party fight, guns + cocktail dresses = yes. And picking the glass out of her feet after, gurl ilu
War Machine, Falcon, Fury, Selvig, Heimdall, Peggy, Friday Ehrmantraut: Like, are you fucking kidding me with this cast? Seriously? I'm so tired.
The opening fight was ridiculously CG-looking, maybe the other ones were too and I was just used to it by then? And the big video game "don't let Ultron touch the drill" final battle at the end was ridiculous but in a super badass fun way, so. Like, did they ever explain why Ultron couldn't just turn the thing off remotely? NO TIME, KEEP SPINNING PLATES, KEEP SPINNINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
IN CONCLUSION: WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE. IN THIS, THE AGE OF ULTRON.
what am i forgetting, talk to me about stuff
i'm too lazy to change journals whatever it's relevant
"The whole ballroom-as-battlefield thing" man, I did not even pick up on that, having seen it twice, but that's BRILLIANT. I guess I unknowingly got that vibe, though? since I thought from the beginning that his dream sequence things were the most effective, because they were just so... off-putting? unnatural? Tony's was sad, Thor's was ~dark, Nat's was... expected, but Steve's just seemed WRONG, like, even the happy people were that creepy sort of too-happy that's super unsettling.
I want more of Steve and Thor being bros
I'M SO FUCKING SAD ABOUT QUICKSILVER, OH MY GOD, I ACTUALLY CRIED. TEARS ON MY FACE. which I think is partly the bit after, Wanda just SCREAMING and us not being able to hear it, but also that, for such limited time, the two of them were REALLY well sold. which I partly think is the actors, too, like... they were doing so much with their physicality to convey the bond between them, that seemed really, really natural, that then losing ONE of them was such a gut punch. they might've been my favorite part of the movie, actually.
i have a lot of thoughts about the nat stuff but it's like 4 am and i need to be up in 4 1/2 hours soooooo suffice it to say that i fall somewhere in the middle — that fledgling relationship was by far my least favorite part of the movie but not for the reasons other people have been citing, since, yeah, internalized misogyny, what up. a lot of it could have been fixed if that ship had any sort of buildup whatsoever, and if just some of the wording had been better. i ranted about this for about half an hour in the car earlier and now my brain is just like blahhhhhhhhhhhhh
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lol I hope in seven years she gets to play Jocasta and the cycle can continue
And yeah, it may not seem like it because I talked about it so much, but the Bruce/Natasha thing fell pretty flat for me. I like it a lot in THEORY, on paper it works super well (because parallels and just making a tremendous amount of sense from a character standpoint, particularly on her side), but then the movie was just kinda 'okay so this is a thing now, bop'. And that was it. Like....... 'kay? And their scenes were some of the most rushed (that whole bedroom scene could have used a few more rewrites, it was choppy as heeeeeellllll) with no time to breathe and just left me all "huh."
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And yeah, definitely. I didn't get it at all at first, but from what I've read since, the idea of it makes a lot of sense to me now, but the execution was just... not great. Especially that bedroom scene. There was a loooooot of that that I was just kind of like, "...what?" And where I don't think what was said actually reflected the intentions of the scene. At least where the two of them were concerned, it felt more like a first draft of a script than a final one. Just... a lot of questionable stuff there, and my issues were different from what most people's seemed to be.
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It really gets on my nerves, too, that the tumblr masses get SO CRAZY about criticizing EVERYTHING because that tends to drown out the valid criticisms? No one's going to listen when people are harping needlessly on every single detail, especially when, in this instance, doing so is kind of sexist as fuck, too. I'm all for Natasha having a love interest/being in a relationship! Why shouldn't she get to have that? Was it well done, no, but then talk about why and how it could have worked better instead of acting like it's the worst thing in the world that she might want to be with someone.
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I also loved this movie, and okay, I see some of the issues (like, I went to watch it with a friend who is Russian and did get kind of uncomfortable with the overwhelming Cold War-style AMERICA YAY RUSSIA BAD of it all, even if I should be used to it) but still, it was awesome. Even if it could really have used to slow the hell down for five seconds; that seems to be the thing for movies now.
I have a complicated and thinky theory on the mind pool and the visions but other than a comment in someone else's thing, I have been unmotivated to post it, should probably do that.
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